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Now you can create a Mastodon account within @ivory.

But unlike @mammoth, new users are given a choice of servers to join.

Here’s a screenshot of the Mastodon sign-up page inside the app.

@fediversenews
Mastodon sign-up inside Ivory
@Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink: @Fediverse News @Mammoth
Aral Balkan
That’s because, unlike Mammoth, Ivory is not VC-funded. Tapbots just make a useful tool instead of trying to capture enough people on their own service so they can monetise them and carry out a successful exit (sell the company so their investors can turn a profit).

PS. The only time you can stop VC-funded startups is before they scale (grow) and obtain network effects. So the best time not to use Mammoth was yesterday. The second best time is today.
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Chris Trottier
@aral To be clear, the lead investor (by far) in @mammoth is @mozilla. So while there is VC-funding, that's not where the bulk of funding comes from.

For me, the bigger question is: how do they intend to monetize?

@bart indicates it will be based on subscriptions. Okay, but how?
@Aral Balkan @Mozilla @Bart Decrem :mammoth_gold: @Mammoth
Aral Balkan
Yes, Mozilla. The corporation funded by half a billion dollars from Google every year. The corporation whose CEO is paid several million dollars and whose head of public policy once asked me to go easy on them because “we’re just another Silicon Valley tech company, I don’t understand why you’re holding us to such a higher standard.”

VC is VC. It’s a very simple game and the rules don’t change. And Mozilla? Mozilla is Silicon Valley through and through.

@mammoth @mozilla @bart
@Mozilla @Bart Decrem :mammoth_gold: @Mammoth
Chris Trottier
@aral @mozilla @bart To be clear, I'm aware that Google funds Mozilla massively.

But they also make the only viable web browser that's not based on Chrome. And it seems way more private than Chrome too.

My feelings towards this are mixed.
@Aral Balkan @Mozilla @Bart Decrem :mammoth_gold:

Łukasz Horodeckiudostępnił to.

Aral Balkan
Firefox is not private by default, it is private by configuration. A very big difference. How big? It’s worth half a billion dollars a year to Google alone.

But yes, you’re right, Mozilla is the best you’re going to get under capitalism and Silicon Valley.

(And if we want better things, then we must think beyond that model and fund them from the common purse for the common good.)

@mammoth @mozilla @bart #vc #ventureCapital #mozilla #google #firefox #privacy #SiliconValley #funding
#google #firefox #privacy #mozilla #funding #siliconvalley #venturecapital #vc @Mozilla @Bart Decrem :mammoth_gold: @Mammoth
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Fediverse Report
@aral @mozilla @bart I'm more worried by the fact that the second investor is Salesforce's Marc Benioff, third is generic VC.

The real question to ask is why Mozilla wanted to be the lead investor, write blog posts that literally state they want the fediverse to "thrives on its own terms, independent of profit- and control-motivated tech firms.", only to then immediately partner up with exactly those firms.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/

Mozilla to explore healthy social media alternative

In early 2023, Mozilla will stand up and test a publicly accessible instance in the Fediverse at Mozilla.Social.
Steve Teixeira (The Mozilla Blog)
@Aral Balkan @Mozilla @Bart Decrem :mammoth_gold:
Bart Decrem :mammoth_gold:
@aral @mozilla this summarizes our current thinking: https://mammoth.writeas.com/our-business-model. We think we will be in market with a subscription offering in the first half of the year.
@Aral Balkan @Mozilla
Irongeek
@aral I’m not a fan of VC, but I can see a good argument for avoiding forcing people to make a choice of server at signup. Ivory makes in easier than joinmastodon.org - you have a small list and can easily just click the first one - but you’re still making the user make a choice which can be anxiety-producing at the start of the experience.
@Aral Balkan
Sarah Brown
@Chris Trottier @Mammoth 🦣 @Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink: Sadly still doesn't work on Friendica. Signs in and everything, and then just crashes.
@Chris Trottier @Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink: @Mammoth
івась тарасик
oh, yeah, so who gets to control what's up on the list? eventually, pay-for-place model? ;-)

my dèjàvue is overwhelmingly strong :-/

@ivory @mammoth @fediversenews
@Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink: @Fediverse News @Mammoth
Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦
what*is* #Ivory and why would I want it?
#ivory
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
@Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦 @Chris Trottier @Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink: @Mammoth 🦣 Something #commercial, #closedsource , for an OS in which the manufacturer (not you) decides what you're allowed and what you're not. You certainly don't need that :-)
#closedsource #commercial @Chris Trottier @Ivory by Tapbots :emoji_wink: @Mammoth @Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦

Fediverse Newsudostępnił to.

Dr. Young-Leslie 🇨🇦
@miklo seems to be IOS-focussed. I escaped that world. Never returning.

#IvoryApp
#ivoryapp @MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛

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CautionWIP 🎃+🇨🇦+🏳️‍🌈= :CApride:
The “official” app has greatly improved their instance selection process for onboarding new users, allowing topic/keyword search and location based instances grabbed (I believe) from the “about” page, as well as defaulting to “open” servers at the top of the list, but including “approval needed” in the results. I haven’t actually logged out of Mona (which I am really loving btw) so I can’t say.
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