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I don’t think #Meta’s goal is to kill the #Fediverse.

Their goal is to kill #Twitter.

And the way they want to do this is by saying, “Hey, we’re no predatory monopoly—we’re just supporting open standards!”

You see, if they don’t support something like #ActivityPub, and merely use their own proprietary network effect, then they are doing something outright monopolistic. Then regulators will start demanding higher and higher fines. And Meta’s already paid lots of fines, they’d probably prefer to not pay more.

But the Fediverse means Meta is just following web standards—one that’s validated by the W3C, no less. Nothing to see here. Regulators, we’re just being good citizens of the web.

Of course, Twitter can offset this problem by also adopting ActivityPub. But I don’t think they’ll do that. Apparently, neither does Meta.
#activitypub #fediverse #twitter #meta’s
Gnosyz 🖖:straightally:
From all I seen, yes, I agree, Meta doesn't want to kill Fediverse, BUT... they want to act as benevolent saviors, bringers of charity to the poor admins of the instances. And this is what the thing. We don't need their charity.
Chris Trottier
Of course they want to look like benevolent saviours. They want to look as good as possible while twisting the knife into Twitter.
LAUREN
Their goal is to Profit off of the users of Mastodon. They have no intention of killing it. It is a cash cow.
Chris Trottier
Oh, it’s all tied to profit. But their immediate goal is to get all those Twitter users onto Threads. All while saying, “Hey! We’re just following web standards!”

As for monetization of the Fediverse itself? Lots of opportunity for that!
Jens Ljungkvist :mastodon:
Wouldn’t they be better of using the AT protocol, then? Maybe not an open standard yet…
Chris Trottier
Not W3C validated, and it’s also funded by Twitter.
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
@Chris Trottier Sounds convincing. But that does not change the fact that we will be an appendage, needed only until meta new project grows on this open standard.
@Chris Trottier
Daniël Franke 🏳️‍🌈
Even ignoring that I disagree that Facebook won't harm the fediverse, nothing can make me think it's OK to associate with a company that has such a horrible track record.

It's the old nazi bar story, if you don't refuse the first one, before you know it, your bar will be a nazi bar.

If we don't fight the first evil tech corp, soon the fedi will just be another corporate strip mall hellhole.

No thanks, I want fedi to grow, but not at the cost of what makes it special to begin with.
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Chris Trottier
I never said that Meta won’t harm the Fediverse. However, you can’t stop Meta from joining either. ActivityPub is an open protocol. And even if you choose to defederate from Meta, that has nothing to do with their decision to use ActivityPub.

But ActivityPub is not analogous to a bar, it’s analogous to a street. Just because a Nazi uses a public street doesn’t mean you should stop using that street. A street is for everyone.
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bgt lover
O, of course they want to kill the fediverse, that's simply offseted by the time it takes for twitter to roll over or whatever. They will try their embrace, extend, extinguish tactics once again, but unlike xmpp, we can stand our ground as we've seen it before.
Chris Trottier
EEE doesn’t work with open source software or protocols. It never has. I’ve written several threads about this.

Oh, and XMPP has not been extinguished. Google didn’t kill it. You can use it now.
cobratbq - cranky-by-design
it does at the very least have a "divide and conquer" effect, as you lose (typically massive) majority to the violating proprietary participant.
Chris Trottier
The proprietary participant rarely survives against an open standard.

Let's look at all of XMPP's competitors. AIM is dead. So is ICQ, YIM, MSN Messenger, and iChat. They're all dead, dead, dead.

Only XMPP survives.
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