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oh, here's some JUICY rumored details about meta's plans for the fediverse

tl;dr "Meta will only federate with select larger instances from the beginning. There will be contracts which also provide for financial compensation for the instance owners."

can't entirely verify their validity but it's still worth posting just in case

#FediPact #barcelona #project92 #p92 #meta #facebook #fediverse #fediblockmeta #FediAdmin #MastoAdmin #threads
Louis @louis@emacs.ch You make some strong arguments here. It's great to see you laying out your reasoning in detail and with passion. theart: That's the spirit. What | have learned, however, is that Meta will only federate with select larger instances from the beginning. There will be contracts which also provide for financial compensation for the instance owners. Meta positions itself as a “savior’, because especially the big instances have a very strong financial pressure. Users take it for granted that someone else is paying for everything. In these contracts, Meta also specifies the rules regarding the moderation. Instances will have the option of allowing ads from Meta or not (with the benefit of additional compensation). Smaller instances will have the possibility to register for a federation with Meta in a second step, but there will be no financial compensation and Meta decides if they will grant access based on their reputation.
Regarding Meta, I'm in the industry for 25 years and have a few friends who worked at Meta from the early years until recently. One s stil there. Regarding UFol, | was part of the disussion at the time, we held a vote at Emacs.ch P R S But don' take this at face value, obvisouly these admins have to sign harsh NDAS. But it sounded very credible and | could not imagine it going any ther way. Examples of big instances (from Japan | believe?) show that the long-term burdens are simply unbearable and operators just wait for the right moment to e 1donot critizise Meta for their attempt to use the favor of the hour to their ‘advantage. As a public corporation its theijob to make proft. As I said, its not them who will decide the fate of the Fediverse. ‘Overworked/stressed out admins, high costs for infrastructure, ongoing disputes ‘and moderation challenges are what threaten the Fediverse. It was not meant to ‘9row o fast before we find common solutions for these issues. What do you think?
#fediverse #facebook #fediadmin #mastoadmin #meta #barcelona #threads #P92 #fediblockmeta #project92 #fedipact

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MOVED vantablack@cyberpunk.lol
y'know if this is true that makes The Pact's mission easier actually

all we have to do is convince big instance admins to not sell out lol
MOVED vantablack@cyberpunk.lol
like

i think it might be a bit easier

to get a handful of large instance admins on board with being against meta

rather than as much of the fediverse as possible lmao
Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​
Money has pull.

Or does it suck? I can never keep it straight.

FB has, as I noted in an earlier toot, insane gobs of wealth.

Using it to buy out Quislings and Judas Goats seems like the strategy they've settled on.

I'm ... thinking of how that might be subverted.
wb x64
I already see the endgame as creating a Orthodox Fediverse that refuses to allow a whiff of FB-sympathizer in its walls. Do we really need content from places that allow fascists to roam mostly free? I say not, and that means circling the wagons tightly.
Charles U. Farley
Incidentally, if this is their strategy, then FediPact is obsolete and needs to be extended to include any instances that accept compensation from Facebook in any form.
Charles U. Farley
If this is true, the strategy is "help the big instances grow even bigger & make them dependent on us." Presumably they'll next approach smaller instances that still federate with those instances with a similar deal (but probably with less money). At every step of the way, any part of the Fediverse that actually federates with them will also be dependent on them. It's a brilliant strategy right out of Google's playbook for owning the web by making all browser projects dependent on them.
Charles U. Farley
mastodon.social gets plenty of donations. It's getting paid to federate with Project 92 that would be the issue, if the rumor is true.
wb x64
the idea that someone would get as large as the big instances without asking for donations and mod help, just letting things schlep along until some undetermined payday or offramp, sends a shiver up my spine.

Then again my own server is just schlepping along, it just also doesn't allow signups...
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
@sign the ANTI-META PACT today! If there's even 20% truth in it, they deserve nothing more than a big kick in the ass.
@MOVED vantablack@cyberpunk.lol
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
@Charles U. Farley @sign the ANTI-META PACT today! Remember about #NDA and such a #shit 💩 . Probably you will never know if they've got financial compensation or not.
#shit #nda @Charles U. Farley @MOVED vantablack@cyberpunk.lol
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
it seems you are more interested in sowing discord among Mastofon admins than even Meta manages. Why?
MisterArix
@dredmorbius “The first hit is free”

I can see a scenario where Meta Money becomes necessary to maintain large instances. Then Meta reduces the payout or simply stops paying the instances. The instances go bankrupt and sell themselves to Meta, giving them what they really wanted in the first place.

The real world analogy is the IMF and China saddling poorer nations with debt and then extracting a heavy cost through austerity and confiscation of resources.
@Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
@MisterArix @Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​ @sign the ANTI-META PACT today! All the meta needs from the admins of these large instances is some form of guarantee that they will co-operate (aka 'deliver' a guaranteed critical mass from the fediverse side) but.... only until a critical mass is also created on the meta side , i.e. they become the largest instance and since then they will be playing exclusively from a position of strength.
@Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​ @MOVED vantablack@cyberpunk.lol @MisterArix
Cade (has no federal vote)
Meta could try to accelerate this process by supporting feature creep in the fediverse software - increasing memory and bandwidth demands with little gain for users. We need to all stay focused on what makes fediverse interaction precious and not be distracted by bells and whistles.
Doc Edward Morbius ⭕​
That's one option.

Another is simply increasing the complexity of the codebase, build process, and hosting requirements to the point that it's beyond the reach of private individuals or even mid-sized organisations.

See, for example, Red Hat's ongoing War on Free Linux, and Google's War on the Free Web.

@MisterArix @vantablack
@MOVED vantablack@cyberpunk.lol @MisterArix
PJ Coffey
Would it not be better to encourage a fundraising culture on instances so that they are self-supporting?

Openness about the costs of running it and the costs of supporting moderators in terms of therapy, administration, cycling them through, and even (whisper it) paying them?

Seems like this would be an easy carrot to go with the defed stick?

#MastodonFunding #Fedipact #ModerationIsWork
#moderationIsWork #mastodonfunding #fedipact
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