What do we have to do to set up an *independent organisation* in Europe with an endowment from our (EU taxpayers’) money to maintain a free/open, private-by-default web browser that we legislate must be included in all operating systems made available in the EU?
#freeTheBrowser
#freeTheBrowser
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Arne Babenhauserheide
•https://www.igalia.com/
Igalia - Open Source Consultancy and Development
IgaliaMiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
Are you aware that publishing (on fedi) link to Igalia, you have broke TOS listed on https://www.igalia.com/legal/ ?
I really don't know if writing so stupid TOS, they differ somehow from big-corpos...
BTW I have also broke TOS because...
Arne Babenhauserheide
•ar.al🌻
•ar.al🌻
•To succeed, any such organisation must be free of political interference and its funding must be guaranteed via an endowment and not privy to the whims of short-term political posturing.
Admin
•I have been working with them a bit for the last few years...
aiquez
•Vegard (Hårfagre) Fjeldberg eo
•We need a paradigm shift. We expect everything from the internet to be free. But we need to normalize to give back to creators. We need systems that makes it easy, secure, private and convinient to tip. In a way that preserves autonomy.
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ar.al🌻
•Abbie Normal
•but it's a purely theoretical arguments
We all knwo what taxes are, this soesn't make this idea more feasible
This is something that needs to be hacked through, I'm afraid
there are no shortcuts
Sorry if I sound pessimistic
Abbie Normal
•good luck 🙄
Yal 🦄🎲✏️🏳️🌈
•EU is not that far from openly asking for the same tools/level of control and means to track its 'users', once upon a time called citizens. Maybe not to make gigantic piles of money but that doesn't change their willingness to access and use the exact same tools. And have them developed if need be.
The tracking (as much as our willingness to live with it) is the issue, more than it being commercial or not. Imho.
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Arcaze R0
•- if you secure initial funding, hire devs, and create a fork, you'll need to eventually invest in some form of monetization or marketing to convince EU citizens and/or politicians to fund the project.
- if you secure initial funding and use it for lobbying/campaigning, you might eventually have enough funds to maintain the project in the long run but will then need to start hiring devs.
In either scenario you'll also have to overcome the overall community's reluctance to invest in the marketing/campaigning/lobbying part.If you want it to be a robust, sustainable project, it's more about organizing and leading the effort than forking the code.
Vegard (Hårfagre) Fjeldberg eo
•Perhaps by developing a browser from scratch we will have a better understanding of how the browser can be developed further?
If so, then in the long run it might be better to start from scratch.
pthenq1
•Do they have $$$?
ves :linux: (what/why)
•Eden
•* Ignore third party requests entirely
* Start an arms race to block all tracking
* Encourage websites to move away from using third party tracking links, and then remove them
Because the third option still sounds positive to me.
digiEDU
•tSatty
•aiquez
•would be nice if you support development and raising awareness in public opinion
@fsfe
#public_digital_infrastructure
https://sdeps.eu/
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also nice if you would make it possible to make a clean net-adress-space (don't know if that is technically possible or senseful) where #no_dark_patterns and #no_excessive_cookies are used #httpc-c_as_clean
cybercow
•MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
The first step will be done if EU law enforce at least that:
- users can install ANY browser they want (not the case with Apple & iOS !)
- OS manufacturers will respect user choice and not convince ( with shady practices ) to use their own browsers
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Matias
•Gareth Kitchen 🏴
•Sebastian Gallehr ☮️
•André Ockers
•https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/abrowser-help
cc @digitalcourage
ar.al🌻
•(As I said, the problem isn’t technical. I can fork Firefox in the next minute. And many forks exist. This is about building a browser for the commons from the commons. For that we need an independent organisation funded from the commons. That’s the challenge here.)
anedroid
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ar.al🌻
•anedroid
•1. fit the FSF's definition of free software (best if licenced under copyleft license such as GPL3+)
2. does not contain neither binary blobs (eg. DRM) nor software designed to download them
3. does not recommend installing non-free addons or other non-free software
4. by default does not put restrictions on viewing pages, downloading files and installing addons
5. does not depends on centralized services (like Firefox sync)
6. use open web standards
What do think about it?
MiKlo:~/citizen4.eu$💙💛
anedroid
•7. does not collect usage data, statistics, nor send them to any servers. Anonymous usage statistics can be implemented for a development purposes as a completely separate addon licensed under free software license, that is not included or suggested to install in the official builds.
My intention is to web browser not send any data to its developers or 3rd parties, unless the user want to help improve that browser and install the extension that will send usage data. I've written "not suggested to install" because I don't want the browser ask the user to install that extension, like Reddit does with their mobile app. Ideally, if browser itself does not send any requests until you open a web page or start typing search terms if autocomplete is enabled.
Gert V
•Moritz Strohm
•https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/eus-digital-identity-framework-endangers-browser-security
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/what-duck-why-eu-proposal-require-qwacs-will-hurt-internet-security
EU's Digital Identity Framework Endangers Browser Security
Electronic Frontier Foundationar.al🌻
•Oh, wait…
George Dorn
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