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So let’s do some maths:

Israel’s military estimates that out of the 13,000 or so Palestinians it has killed in seven weeks, 1,000 - 2,000 of them are Hamas fighters.

They estimate about 30,000 Hamas fighters in total and their stated goal is to wipe out Hamas entirely.

Given the current ratio of deaths, how many Palestinians will they have to kill to wipe out Hamas?

Answer: 195,000 - 390,000

(But don’t call it genocide.)

Figures: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/26/idf-messaging-suggests-gaza-truce-unlikely-to-last-much-beyond-tuesday

#israel #palestine #gaza #genocide
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While the leaders of Hamas live a comfortable life in luxury in Qatar.
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Hamas can just... surrender? Or at least acknowledge Israel and Jews right to exist? But they care about Palestinian lives even less than the Israeli government.
wild that they’ve killed 13x the number of civilians Hamas did and genocide-apologists are still crying self-defense.

Ugly Bag of Mostly Waterudostępnił to.

yes please don't call it "genocide".

Gaza has become the hell on earth, every call for a ceasefire is completly sound, and still it isn't a genocide, there has been genocidal remarks from within the current goverment of Israel, but is an extreme and condemned positions inside of the israelian society. Genocide "can" be defined by numbers like you hinted at at your extrapolition of potential victims, but these victims aren't by intend. Who his clear in it's genocidal intend are Hamas and the iranian Regime and its telling that almost no one on the left is attributing this term towards them... in a post Holocoust world we need to be careful about these terms, even or especially in the realm of superfast socialmedia discourse, simply to much is at stacke.

(and please don't attribute the term "apartheid" towards Israel as well, leave it for the southafricans (background here: https://africansforpeace.com/reclaiming-word-apartheid/). To describe the ongoing tragedy of the palestinian people we can use better terms and we can find them, even when there are less flashy.)

We might agree that violence and therefore war needs it's flashiness of terms, while peace can only be laid in nuance.
@Bl4ckst4r Raz Segal begs to differ:

https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/16/raz_segal_textbook_case_of_genocide

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13000 dead and they are still calling it self defence.
and every new orphan, widow, widower, traumatised by their loss, becomes a potential new recruit. It’s been widely accepted that Hamas can’t be eradicated as a movement and its leadership are in safe haven. Whatever the circumstances on the ground, at some point there has to be an accommodation between the parties; unless of course both are utterly determined to see a ‘final solution’ delivered through violence where deaths will be what they’ll be. Which won’t work.
@Christo @Aral Balkan
Lock ~2million people in a walled area of ~400km2 for a dozen years and keep the place on the brink of economic existence. So that after some time the majority (especially the young people born there) will not know any other life. And you have a ready recipe for "breeding" any extremism in such a community.

GhostOnTheHalfShelludostępnił to.

Permítame agregar a ese cálculo el siguiente: Si por cada niño palestino asesinado el dios de Israel pierde 10 o más creyentes al final del genocidio el dios de Israel habrá perdido millones de creyentes y dudo que dios avergonzado pueda creer en Israel.
Los sionistas tienen la virtud de eliminar la fé y matar a Dios. Algo con lo que Niche probablemente soño.
Don't call it genocide 🖤
Astounding that after so many years of American military occupation in the Middle East that people somehow still think “kill ‘em all” is a viable option for fighting terror.

I feel like every week for years I saw headlines about some Taliban or Al-Qaeda general being killed by U.S. forces and that accomplished jack shit.

Now people are using similar justifications for the killing of Palestinian civilians under the assumption the ends justify the means. They don’t.
And they will also have to destroy 500% of all buildings in Gaza.
even worse, if it's 2000 terrorists, by killing 5000 children, it means that for every terrorist, 2.5 children die. That's like if every terrorist went out to fight holding hands with 2 kids, and the IDF killed them both before shooting the terrorist. It's only fair to call both sides terrorists at this point! #boycottisrael #BoycottIsraelApartheid
The death toll eventually will be well over half a million. Counting all the health issues from breathing in all that crap, the broken bones, the starvation, exposure to the elements.

They were already living in forced squalor with a population density equal to New York City and a 50% unemployment rate with no way out.

If you think they were pissed off before, the survivors are really pissed off now. With good reason. And millions of their Arab brethren are going to feel the same.
You might be interested in the speech I just posted of Robert DeNiro lambasting Trump at the Gotham Awards.

It appears as if Apple or the Gotham Awards edited that part out of the teleprompter.

He went back and gave the speech anyway after about a minute from his notes.

That’s the kind of unabashed public bravery it’s going to take to stop the fascist movement that could in fact make these bloodbaths common and bring about World War III, if that hasn’t happened already.
And I’m guessing that the more Palestinians that are killed the more some of those remaining will wish to join Hamas…
Cynthia Nixon:

“Let’s say there was a terrorist cell in Maryland. Would the response be to then completely bomb the civilian population because they’re hiding in a house somewhere?”

https://theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/27/white-house-hunger-strike-gaza-cynthia-nixon

Looking at what she says to Biden personally, as the comforter-in-chief who turned out to be as compassionate as his sociopathic predecessor when it comes to Muslim children, I think Biden is going to go down in history just like Trump and Bush did. He completely lost the plot on this issue.
@Aral Balkan
And by the way, let's not forget the famous Israeli terrorists who later ruled the country.
And then some even got the Nobel Peace Prize (sic!).
Like Menachem Begin.
Let's not forget that civilians will be radicalised by the violence, likely boosting Hamas membership.

It's entirely possible that Israel kills hundreds of thousands, and Hamas only grows larger.
@ohiorob

“Don’t murder kids” isn’t propaganda for Hamas, it’s a bedrock moral principle.
@ohiorob

Fuck you and fuck your whataboutism. Don’t murder kids, period, anywhere, ever.

https://kolektiva.social/@HeavenlyPossum/111207254166566581
@Properganda@mastodon.social Oh yes, I definitely trust you, random anonymous account, more than The Guardian newspaper.

Shoo! Go away now.
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